Oracle, Fluid, and Sakai UX
George Hackman
george.hackman at oracle.com
Tue May 20 19:51:37 UTC 2008
Generally that week is pretty good for me. I would avoid Thursdays, but
any other day/time is pretty open for me.
Thanks,
George
Michael Feldstein wrote:
> I'm on the East Coast, I'm afraid. Linda Feng is local, though, and I
> could easily phone in.
>
> George, what's your availability like that week?
>
> - m
>
>
> Jess Mitchell wrote:
>> Michael,
>>
>> I'm thinking that a chat would be great -- a George, Jess, Nathan,
>> and you -- I'm wondering if we can do that after I have a chance to
>> visit with Berkeley first week of June?
>>
>> Jess
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jess Mitchell
>> Project Manager / Fluid Project
>> jess at jessmitchell.com <mailto:jess at jessmitchell.com>
>> / w / 617.326.7753 / c / 919.599.5378
>> jabber: jessmitchell at gmail.com <mailto:jessmitchell at gmail.com>
>> http://www.fluidproject.org
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>
>>> I'll leave it to George to respond to the particular ideas in terms
>>> of the "what" in the collaboration, other than to note that some
>>> internal Peoplesoft Campus Solutions people might be interested in
>>> sitting in on accessibility testing work. On the "how," I'd like to
>>> make two requests. First, let's try to coordinate the Fluid and
>>> Sakai UX conversations wherever appropriate. I realize that they
>>> don't always overlap, but the more we are able to coordinate, the
>>> more Oracle will be likely to find areas where we can help. Second,
>>> please do keep me in the loop as these conversations as they go
>>> forward so that I can help facilitate between the groups of people
>>> who are all trying to collaborate on work that is not their
>>> respective day jobs.
>>>
>>> One possible next step would be to get George, Jess, Nathan, and me
>>> on a call together to identify the low-hanging fruit and put a
>>> proposal together to bring back to the larger groups. Does that make
>>> sense?
>>>
>>> - m
>>>
>>>
>>> Jutta Treviranus wrote:
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> Thanks for this note and prodding to continue these discussions. One
>>>> thing that was also offered was accessibility testing of prototype
>>>> components. This would be very helpful. The Industry Advisory
>>>> Committee sounds like a great idea. It would be good to get advice on
>>>> UX design methods and resources in general, especially as they relate
>>>> to fluid, reconfigurable interfaces. Could George work with Jess
>>>> Mitchell to organize this?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Jutta
>>>>
>>>> At 3:35 PM -0400 5/6/08, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the
>>>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that
>>>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies
>>>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you
>>>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his
>>>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off
>>>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help
>>>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and,
>>>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it
>>>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group
>>>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and
>>>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to Fluid.
>>>>>> * There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability,
>>>>>> and accessibility.
>>>>>> * Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood
>>>>>> Shores.
>>>>>> * There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work,
>>>>>> but we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we
>>>>>> can show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably)
>>>>>> can't sign one.
>>>>>> * George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory
>>>>>> committee consisting of various companies that have done a lot
>>>>>> of design pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm
>>>>>> not sure where this conversation stands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today
>>>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community
>>>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that
>>>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who
>>>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate
>>>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about
>>>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term?
>>>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they
>>>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to
>>>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - m
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the
>>>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that
>>>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies
>>>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you
>>>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his
>>>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off
>>>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help
>>>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and,
>>>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it
>>>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group
>>>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and
>>>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to Fluid.
>>>>>> There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability, and
>>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>>> Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood Shores.
>>>>>> There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work, but
>>>>>> we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we can
>>>>>> show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably) can't sign
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory committee
>>>>>> consisting of various companies that have done a lot of design
>>>>>> pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm not sure where
>>>>>> this conversation stands.
>>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today
>>>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community
>>>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that
>>>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who
>>>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate
>>>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about
>>>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term?
>>>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they
>>>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to
>>>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - m
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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