Oracle, Fluid, and Sakai UX

Mon May 19 19:10:47 UTC 2008

I'm on the East Coast, I'm afraid. Linda Feng is local, though, and I 
could easily phone in.

George, what's your availability like that week?

- m

Jess Mitchell wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I'm thinking that a chat would be great -- a George, Jess, Nathan, and 
> you -- I'm wondering if we can do that after I have a chance to visit 
> with Berkeley first week of June?
>
> Jess
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jess Mitchell
> Project Manager / Fluid Project
> jess at jessmitchell.com <mailto:jess at jessmitchell.com>
> / w / 617.326.7753  / c / 919.599.5378
> jabber: jessmitchell at gmail.com <mailto:jessmitchell at gmail.com>
> http://www.fluidproject.org
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> On May 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>
>> I'll leave it to George to respond to the particular ideas in terms 
>> of the "what" in the collaboration, other than to note that some 
>> internal Peoplesoft Campus Solutions people might be interested in 
>> sitting in on accessibility testing work. On the "how," I'd like to 
>> make two requests. First, let's try to coordinate the Fluid and Sakai 
>> UX conversations wherever appropriate. I realize that they don't 
>> always overlap, but the more we are able to coordinate, the more 
>> Oracle will be likely to find areas where we can help. Second, please 
>> do keep me in the loop as these conversations as they go forward so 
>> that I can help facilitate between the groups of people who are all 
>> trying to collaborate on work that is not their respective day jobs.
>>
>> One possible next step would be to get George, Jess, Nathan, and me 
>> on a call together to identify the low-hanging fruit and put a 
>> proposal together to bring back to the larger groups. Does that make 
>> sense?
>>
>> - m
>>
>>
>> Jutta Treviranus wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Thanks for this note and prodding to continue these discussions. One 
>>> thing that was also offered was accessibility testing of prototype 
>>> components. This would be very helpful. The Industry Advisory 
>>> Committee sounds like a great idea. It would be good to get advice on 
>>> UX design methods and resources in general, especially as they relate 
>>> to fluid, reconfigurable interfaces. Could George work with Jess 
>>> Mitchell to organize this?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Jutta
>>>
>>> At 3:35 PM -0400 5/6/08, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the 
>>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that 
>>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies 
>>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you 
>>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>     
>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his 
>>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off 
>>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help 
>>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and, 
>>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it 
>>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group 
>>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and 
>>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>
>>>>>     * George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to Fluid.
>>>>>     * There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>>>       about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability,
>>>>>       and accessibility.
>>>>>     * Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood
>>>>>       Shores.
>>>>>     * There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work,
>>>>>       but we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we
>>>>>       can show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably)
>>>>>       can't sign one.
>>>>>     * George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory
>>>>>       committee consisting of various companies that have done a lot
>>>>>       of design pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm
>>>>>       not sure where this conversation stands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>
>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today 
>>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community 
>>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that 
>>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who 
>>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate 
>>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about 
>>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term? 
>>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they 
>>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to 
>>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>> - m
>>>>>       
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | +1.818.817.2925
>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the 
>>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that 
>>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies 
>>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you 
>>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his 
>>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off 
>>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help 
>>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and, 
>>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it 
>>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group 
>>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and 
>>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>
>>>>> George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to Fluid.
>>>>> There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk 
>>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability, and 
>>>>> accessibility.
>>>>> Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood Shores.
>>>>> There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work, but 
>>>>> we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we can 
>>>>> show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably) can't sign 
>>>>> one.
>>>>> George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory committee 
>>>>> consisting of various companies that have done a lot of design 
>>>>> pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm not sure where 
>>>>> this conversation stands.
>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>
>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today 
>>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community 
>>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that 
>>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who 
>>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate 
>>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about 
>>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term? 
>>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they 
>>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to 
>>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>> - m
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
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