Oracle, Fluid, and Sakai UX
Michael Feldstein
michael.feldstein at oracle.com
Tue May 27 15:54:51 UTC 2008
Hey gang,
Please do keep Linda and me posted on whether/when this is going to
happen next week.
- m
George Hackman wrote:
> Generally that week is pretty good for me. I would avoid Thursdays,
> but any other day/time is pretty open for me.
> Thanks,
> George
>
> Michael Feldstein wrote:
>> I'm on the East Coast, I'm afraid. Linda Feng is local, though, and I
>> could easily phone in.
>>
>> George, what's your availability like that week?
>>
>> - m
>>
>>
>> Jess Mitchell wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that a chat would be great -- a George, Jess, Nathan,
>>> and you -- I'm wondering if we can do that after I have a chance to
>>> visit with Berkeley first week of June?
>>>
>>> Jess
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Jess Mitchell
>>> Project Manager / Fluid Project
>>> jess at jessmitchell.com <mailto:jess at jessmitchell.com>
>>> / w / 617.326.7753 / c / 919.599.5378
>>> jabber: jessmitchell at gmail.com <mailto:jessmitchell at gmail.com>
>>> http://www.fluidproject.org
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll leave it to George to respond to the particular ideas in terms
>>>> of the "what" in the collaboration, other than to note that some
>>>> internal Peoplesoft Campus Solutions people might be interested in
>>>> sitting in on accessibility testing work. On the "how," I'd like to
>>>> make two requests. First, let's try to coordinate the Fluid and
>>>> Sakai UX conversations wherever appropriate. I realize that they
>>>> don't always overlap, but the more we are able to coordinate, the
>>>> more Oracle will be likely to find areas where we can help. Second,
>>>> please do keep me in the loop as these conversations as they go
>>>> forward so that I can help facilitate between the groups of people
>>>> who are all trying to collaborate on work that is not their
>>>> respective day jobs.
>>>>
>>>> One possible next step would be to get George, Jess, Nathan, and me
>>>> on a call together to identify the low-hanging fruit and put a
>>>> proposal together to bring back to the larger groups. Does that
>>>> make sense?
>>>>
>>>> - m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jutta Treviranus wrote:
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> Thanks for this note and prodding to continue these discussions.
>>>>> One thing that was also offered was accessibility testing of
>>>>> prototype components. This would be very helpful. The Industry
>>>>> Advisory Committee sounds like a great idea. It would be good to
>>>>> get advice on UX design methods and resources in general,
>>>>> especially as they relate to fluid, reconfigurable interfaces.
>>>>> Could George work with Jess Mitchell to organize this?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>
>>>>> At 3:35 PM -0400 5/6/08, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of
>>>>>> the people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding
>>>>>> me that it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending.
>>>>>> Apologies to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear
>>>>>> any ideas you may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and
>>>>>>> his user experience team here at Oracle have been having
>>>>>>> on-and-off conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in
>>>>>>> which we can help out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with
>>>>>>> George today and, particularly since Nathan is now on board with
>>>>>>> Sakai, we thought it would be worthwhile to send out a brief
>>>>>>> summary to the larger group to see what else we might be able to
>>>>>>> do to support both Fluid and the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work
>>>>>>> to Fluid.
>>>>>>> * There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should
>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns,
>>>>>>> usability,
>>>>>>> and accessibility.
>>>>>>> * Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood
>>>>>>> Shores.
>>>>>>> * There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work,
>>>>>>> but we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA
>>>>>>> before we
>>>>>>> can show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably)
>>>>>>> can't sign one.
>>>>>>> * George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory
>>>>>>> committee consisting of various companies that have done a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> of design pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.).
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> not sure where this conversation stands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed
>>>>>>> today was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai
>>>>>>> community for the work that's being done for the next release.
>>>>>>> Does that strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially
>>>>>>> helpful? If so, who do we need to engage within the respective
>>>>>>> projects to investigate that possibility further? And what else
>>>>>>> should we be thinking about in terms of low-hanging fruit for
>>>>>>> collaboration in the short term? George and his team are
>>>>>>> enthusiastic about contributing where they can, and we in the
>>>>>>> AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to help coordinate the
>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>>>>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | +1.818.817.2925
>>>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>>>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of
>>>>>> the people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding
>>>>>> me that it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending.
>>>>>> Apologies to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear
>>>>>> any ideas you may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the original message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and
>>>>>>> his user experience team here at Oracle have been having
>>>>>>> on-and-off conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in
>>>>>>> which we can help out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with
>>>>>>> George today and, particularly since Nathan is now on board with
>>>>>>> Sakai, we thought it would be worthwhile to send out a brief
>>>>>>> summary to the larger group to see what else we might be able to
>>>>>>> do to support both Fluid and the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to
>>>>>>> Fluid.
>>>>>>> There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability,
>>>>>>> and accessibility.
>>>>>>> Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood
>>>>>>> Shores.
>>>>>>> There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work,
>>>>>>> but we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we
>>>>>>> can show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably)
>>>>>>> can't sign one.
>>>>>>> George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory
>>>>>>> committee consisting of various companies that have done a lot
>>>>>>> of design pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm
>>>>>>> not sure where this conversation stands.
>>>>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed
>>>>>>> today was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai
>>>>>>> community for the work that's being done for the next release.
>>>>>>> Does that strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially
>>>>>>> helpful? If so, who do we need to engage within the respective
>>>>>>> projects to investigate that possibility further? And what else
>>>>>>> should we be thinking about in terms of low-hanging fruit for
>>>>>>> collaboration in the short term? George and his team are
>>>>>>> enthusiastic about contributing where they can, and we in the
>>>>>>> AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to help coordinate the
>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | +1.818.817.2925
>>>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>>>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
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