The Fluid Project has moved from IRC to Matrix / Element

Tue Nov 17 02:07:30 UTC 2020

Hi Everyone,

The Fluid Project is now using Matrix <https://matrix.org/> / Element <https://element.io/> for our online collaborative discussions. Please see the Matrix Channel <https://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Matrix+Channel> wiki page for information about the various rooms available. Past logs for the IRC Channels are available in the fluid-irc-logs <https://github.com/fluid-project/fluid-irc-logs> git repo.

Thanks everyone and hope to see you on Matrix.
Justin

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Justin Obara <obara.justin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> We’ve been evaluating Matrix/Element for about two weeks now. It seems that the majority of conversations are now taking place in Matrix. I haven’t heard any show stopper issues as of yet, but please do weigh in on your experience. We’re currently still on track to switch to Matrix as our primary synchronous communication channel on Nov 16. 
> 
> Things to note:
> 
> There have been some connection and verification issues here and there, but they seem to have resolved on their own. Possibly related to updates.
> While Matrix rooms support guest access, it doesn’t seem that Element or possibly any other web client support guest accounts.
> 
> Thanks
> Justin
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Justin Obara <obara.justin at gmail.com <mailto:obara.justin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> As a follow up, I’ve started a wiki page about Matrix with some general information for connecting to our channels. 
>> 
>> https://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Matrix+Channel <https://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Matrix+Channel>
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Justin
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Justin Obara <obara.justin at gmail.com <mailto:obara.justin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> At the lightning talk last Thursday (Oct 22) the community was introduced to Matrix <https://matrix.org/> / Element <https://element.io/> as a potential alternative to IRC. Some key takeaways:
>>> 
>>> Like IRC Matrix is a protocol that supports use with a variety of clients
>>> Element is a client for accessing Matrix
>>> Matrix and Element are both open source projects
>>> Mozilla made the switch Matrix at the end of 2019
>>> Mozilla worked with Element to improve accessibility
>>> Matrix/Element provide a more Slack like full featured synchronous communication platform that includes options for audio/video calls
>>> 
>>> We have been finding that an increasing number of people joining our community are expecting to use a modern chat platform for communication and are having difficulty understanding/working with IRC. There are some IRC clients that help bridge the gap, such as irccloud.com <http://irccloud.com/> however, they only benefit those using a similar client and are limited by the protocol itself.
>>> 
>>> As of last Thursday we’ve opened up a Fluid Project Matrix community <https://matrix.to/#/+fluid-project:matrix.org> and matching rooms for the purpose of evaluating Matrix. However, at the moment, the IRC channels are still our primary means of synchronous communication.
>>> 
>>> The proposal is to spend the next two weeks evaluating Matrix. Please provide feedback on your experience. If there are no show stoppers we plan to switch to Matrix as our primary means of synchronous communication starting Nov 16. At that point we’ll also explore setting up a bridge between Matrix and IRC to help with the transition.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Ned Zimmerman <nzimmerman at ocadu.ca <mailto:nzimmerman at ocadu.ca>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>  
>>>> Colin, Gio, Justin, and myself have been exploring Matrix <https://matrix.org/> / Element <https://element.io/> as an alternative to IRC for IDRC and Fluid Project chat. Mozilla made the switch <https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/synchronous-messaging-at-mozilla-the-decision/50620> from IRC to Matrix in December, and we’ve looked at their criteria and evaluation of Matrix and Element (particularly around the client’s accessibility, as documented by Marco Zehe <https://www.marcozehe.de/how-to-use-element-and-matrix-with-a-screen-reader/>) as well as trying the service ourselves. At this point, we’d like to schedule a lightning talk for this Thursday (October 22) after standup to share what we’ve found and get feedback from the broader community before we move forward any further.
>>>>  
>>>> In the meantime, please feel free to explore at the links I shared in this message and if you have any questions you’d like to put on the table for the lightning talk and following discussion you can add them to the Google Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AS1RsbSls5XfTxAbxAGRSCh7LgUuRVI0aNYsMngVb7g/edit#heading=h.9c0j4nlphmwf <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AS1RsbSls5XfTxAbxAGRSCh7LgUuRVI0aNYsMngVb7g/edit#heading=h.9c0j4nlphmwf>
>>>>  
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ned
>>>> —
>>>> Ned Zimmerman (he/him)
>>>> Senior Inclusive Developer
>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre, OCAD University
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