Inline Edit "remove" button & JAWS
Michael S Elledge
elledge at msu.edu
Thu May 14 21:08:03 UTC 2009
I also think this is a good idea.
Mike
Daphne Ogle wrote:
> The remove is after the title. The screen reader should read the
> title of the thing, then several attributes about it (teaching
> assistant, logistics, class size, etc.) then remove is the last thing
> in the row. I think remove item might be vague in this case. Which
> item -- one of the attributes?
>
> Could we add some context by inserting the type of thing. In this
> case, it would be "remove section". But what the thing is could be a
> configuration option. Or is that a bad idea for implementation reasons?
>
> -Daphne
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 2:07 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>
>> Depending on the AT in use rows are not apparent to AT users.
>> However, in the case that a row is not apparent, the concept of an
>> "item" is likely also not apparent. For example, is the "Remove this
>> item" button or checkbox at the beginning or end of the item?
>>
>> I would argue that users should be expected to have reasonably recent
>> technology, we cannot code against JAWS 4.5, but at the same time
>> rows aren't fully apparent on OSX 10.5.6 with Voiceover and Safari
>> 4beta, so I'm not sure what an alternative solution would be.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Everett
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>> On 11-May-09, at 4:45 PM, Michael S Elledge wrote:
>>
>>> I would think "Remove" as a heading is fine; I would put "Remove
>>> this item" as a title for the checkbox, since rows aren't always
>>> meaningful to persons who are blind.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Eli Cochran wrote:
>>>> The UI in the generic Section Info tool is quite different. It is a
>>>> checkbox in the Remove column. The user then needs to click a
>>>> Remove Sections button once they have selected the sections. Still
>>>> "true" is just wrong and there should be a title attribute on the
>>>> checkbox. However, wondering if "Remove this row" is the right
>>>> thing for it to say in this case.
>>>> I've enclosed a screen shot of the actual component.
>>>> - Eli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Alison Benjamin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd say it's worth sharing because it could be confusing to hear
>>>>> "true". Plus it looks really easy to fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alison
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Colin Clark
>>>>> <colin.clark at utoronto.ca <mailto:colin.clark at utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice patch! Just a quick question about it...
>>>>>
>>>>> While our bSpace Section Info page is just a mockup, it's based
>>>>> on a real user interface in Sakai. Given this, I'm wondering if
>>>>> this issue might be something we should also share upstream with
>>>>> the Sakai community? It's likely a really easy change to the
>>>>> Section Info tools's markup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11-May-09, at 1:44 PM, Eli Cochran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> cool, thanks. If you would assigned that bug to me, I'll
>>>>> review and check in the patch.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Eli
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Alison Benjamin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Last week I conducted user testing with 2 JAWS users on
>>>>> the bSpace implementation of Inline Edit. Here is the
>>>>> wiki page with results (please note the wiki page is a
>>>>> work in progress):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Simple+Text+Inline+Edit+User+Testing+-+Round+3+Results
>>>>>
>>>>> A bug that came up is that when you tab to the 'remove'
>>>>> button to remove a row, JAWS reads "true", which is not
>>>>> meaningful to the user.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a patch that gives each button the title "remove
>>>>> this row".
>>>>>
>>>>> http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2651
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alison
>>>>>
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>>>>> Eli Cochran
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>>>>> ETS, UC Berkeley
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>>>> Eli Cochran
>>>> user interaction developer
>>>> ETS, UC Berkeley
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