Oracle, Fluid, and Sakai UX

Wed May 7 14:30:15 UTC 2008

As I understand it, we've run into some of the usual hurdles that big 
companies like Oracle face around sharing intellectual property. Again, 
I'll leave it to George to assess whether these hurdles are ultimately 
surmountable, but I can promise that doing so will take a fair bit of 
time if it is possible at all. It may be that a steering committee would 
provide more of an umbrella under which Oracle could get sign-off to 
contribute design patterns. Or not. I certainly don't claim to have any 
great insight into our channels for releasing IP, other than knowing 
that they tend to move slowly. Regardless, I want to make sure that we 
are identifying areas where we can collaborate now in parallel with any 
discussions about what Oracle may be able to contribute in the longer term.

- m

Colin Clark wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> It's great to have Oracle getting involved with Fluid, and I've 
> appreciated the offer of help with user testing and research.
>
> Regarding design patterns. While I'm curious about what a steering 
> committee for design patterns might look like, I'm even more 
> interested in having your team contribute to creating and sharing the 
> design patterns themselves. We've just launched a preview release of 
> our Open Source Design Patterns library, which is a shared content 
> management system for UI design patterns. As far as we know, this is 
> the first truly collaborative and open venue for sharing patterns. I 
> hope you'll consider contributing Oracle's own patterns to this effort.
>
> http://www.uidesignpatterns.org/
>
> Colin
>
> On 6-May-08, at 10:13 PM, Jutta Treviranus wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> Thanks for this note and prodding to continue these discussions. One
>> thing that was also offered was accessibility testing of prototype
>> components. This would be very helpful. The Industry Advisory
>> Committee sounds like a great idea. It would be good to get advice on
>> UX design methods and resources in general, especially as they relate
>> to fluid, reconfigurable interfaces. Could George work with Jess
>> Mitchell to organize this?
>>
>> thanks
>> Jutta
>>
>> At 3:35 PM -0400 5/6/08, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the
>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that
>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies
>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you
>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>
>>> Here's the original message:
>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his
>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off
>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help
>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and,
>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it
>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group
>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and
>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>
>>>>   * George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to 
>>>> Fluid.
>>>>   * There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>>     about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability,
>>>>     and accessibility.
>>>>   * Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood
>>>>     Shores.
>>>>   * There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work,
>>>>     but we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we
>>>>     can show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably)
>>>>     can't sign one.
>>>>   * George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory
>>>>     committee consisting of various companies that have done a lot
>>>>     of design pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm
>>>>     not sure where this conversation stands.
>>>>
>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>
>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today
>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community
>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that
>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who
>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate
>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about
>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term?
>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they
>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to
>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>
>>>> - m
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> Oracle <http://www.oracle.com>
>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | +1.818.817.2925
>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I had originally sent this email out to a semi-random subset of the
>>> people who might be interested. Thanks to Eli for reminding me that
>>> it should have gone out to the lists. So I'm re-sending. Apologies
>>> to those who are getting it twice. We'd like to hear any ideas you
>>> may have about how the Oracle UX team can be of help.
>>>
>>> Here's the original message:
>>>
>>>> As some (but possibly not all) of you know, George Hackman and his
>>>> user experience team here at Oracle have been having on-and-off
>>>> conversations with the Fluid folks about ways in which we can help
>>>> out. Linda and I had a chance to catch up with George today and,
>>>> particularly since Nathan is now on board with Sakai, we thought it
>>>> would be worthwhile to send out a brief summary to the larger group
>>>> to see what else we might be able to do to support both Fluid and
>>>> the Sakai UX effort.
>>>>
>>>> Here's my understanding of what's happened so far:
>>>>
>>>> George gave a webinar overview of some of his group's work to Fluid.
>>>> There was a general consensus that Oracle and Fluid should talk
>>>> about collaborating in the areas of design patterns, usability, and
>>>> accessibility.
>>>> Allison (and others?) visited George and his group at Redwood Shores.
>>>> There's been some discussion of Oracle's design pattern work, but
>>>> we hit a bit of a wall because Oracle needs an NDA before we can
>>>> show more of what we're doing and Fluid (understandably) can't sign
>>>> one.
>>>> George suggested the creation of a steering or advisory committee
>>>> consisting of various companies that have done a lot of design
>>>> pattern work (e.g., Oracle, Yahoo!, eBay, etc.). I'm not sure where
>>>> this conversation stands.
>>>> Did I miss anything major?
>>>>
>>>> One additional possibility that George, Linda and I discussed today
>>>> was making our UX testing facility available to the Sakai community
>>>> for the work that's being done for the next release. Does that
>>>> strike the Sakai and Fluid folks as potentially helpful? If so, who
>>>> do we need to engage within the respective projects to investigate
>>>> that possibility further? And what else should we be thinking about
>>>> in terms of low-hanging fruit for collaboration in the short term?
>>>> George and his team are enthusiastic about contributing where they
>>>> can, and we in the AES group (Linda, Cary, and me) are happy to
>>>> help coordinate the conversation.
>>>>
>>>> - m
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions Group
>>> 23A Glendale Road, Glendale, MA 01229
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> Colin Clark
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